Star Wars: The Last Jedi AUDIENCE Score - Thoughts?

@bowser · Bowser's Theater of Love
Dec 15, 2017, 9:13am PST

[12/15, 11 AM] AUDIENCE SCORE 60%
Average Rating: 3.5/5
User Ratings: 60,342

I'm going to post some thoughts from my initial reaction. (Went to the 7:30 show last night) :: SPOILER WARNING ::

First: I am a massive, loyal Star Wars fan. I have been since childhood.
I wore a lot of Star Wars apparel last night. My office and bedroom have Star Wars decorations aplenty.

It was a pretty good movie.

But, this is the first time I've ever left a theater for a Star Wars movie and felt disappointed.

I don't want to be completely negative... But, here are some issues that stuck out to me.

First -- The ending.
It felt like Disney just hit a reset button to make more money. We are even further from a conclusion to these Character's story arch.

So, one of the themes was... There will ALWAYS be good versus bad... Wrong vs right. Light vs dark.
Okay, I understand that. Thanks.

SNOKE -- WHO IS HE?? What was that?
Who was his master?
How did he come to power??????

Why was there this ultimate Sith that seemingly came out of nowhere, and ZERO light was shed on his story...? We got NOTHING on Snoke. No closure. Kylo Ren just got to kill him...
Which was cool, and unexpected... Probably the highlight of the film for me...

But, WTF, nothing on why he was so powerful, or how he came to be? No clues on his master?
Just... Weird to me.

Finn -- Wow.
I can't believe how bored I was with Finn's storyline.

Nothing about following Finn around was enjoyable for me. He really felt like some pointless subplot to pass time. I just... Didn't expect that.
"Filler Finn"
I was literally bored with Finn. Every time he was on the screen, I was anxious for the characters I care about to come back.

Luke sort of got a disappointing exit from the franchise. I'm glad he was at peace at the end... But, sheesh.

He's just gone now?

They did a good job of re-booting this existing world... And leaving a WIDE open door for future generations of Star Wars fans...

Maybe I'm too attached to the original characters.
This trilogy of trilogies has always been about the Skywalker family.
It is odd to me that Ben Solo and Leia are the only ones left.

And.... of all the generations of Jedi/Sith we've followed.... Kylo Ren has got to be the weakest Sith. He's so vulnerable.
Rey is so raw. She's all that's left of the Jedi, with no master to continue her minimal training. Very odd to me.

But... Maybe that's the point.

Kylo Ren is what young Vader should have been.

There were bright spots in the movie.
I loved Rey going to Kylo... I loved the showdown with Kylo/Rey/Snoke.
I wish we would have got answers about Snoke.

And now... Episode 9 -- It will be this new seed of a Resistance trying to bring down Kylo's "New Order." They have one movie to wrap up this Skywalker Trilogy of Trilogies.

I love Star Wars. I will be there. I'll go see The Last Jedi again...
I'm just... baffled by my own disappointment.

I became attached to Jyn Erso and Cassian Andor in Rogue One.
Rogue One's ending was incredible.

I don't want to know any more about Finn. It's weird to me. I still feel like Finn has only ever been driven by two things: A crush on Rey, and revenge on the First Order.

In moments of "doing the right thing," he'd run, bail, escape.
I thought him sacrificing at the end would be his redeeming moment. I don't know. I'm oddly anti-Finn right now. He's not a representative of the Resistance to me. Haha.

I might have had too high of expectations.
It was still a good movie, I enjoyed it... I'm just really confused and a bit let down.

I think they're trying to send a message of "hope," but I am now feeling hopeless like this FIGHT, this WAR, has to go on forever.

And, that might be the point... There will always be bad, always be darkness, that we have to fight. The fight never stops to do the right thing.

So, the next movie will be Kylo's New Order nearly destroying the Resistance ... They'll have their backs against the wall the whole time.

We, as the audience, will be told to never give up hope.... Don't succumb to an "evil" dictatorship.

Good guys will prevail at the end. Cue the theme song.

Rey's parents/line have nothing to do with anything. Reminder that any random kid can be born with gifts. (Or, Kylo lied and we get a surprise in 9)

No clue how after killing Emperor Palpatine and Vader turning back to the light side -- There is suddenly an all-powerful Sith Master of Snoke who builds a "First Order" and essentially has control of the galaxy just like The Empire... :: shrugs ::

It's worth going to in theaters… But, I understand why some people are let down. There are a lot of plot holes I didn't touch on, I just focused on what initially stuck out to me. 

What did everyone else think??

110 Replies

  • Reply #21

    I probably put Rogue One behind all of the prequels. We all have our opinions, but in my eyes that one was really bad.

    @scott · Scott's Theater of Powerless Superheroes
    Dec 15, 2017, 1:09pm PST
  • Reply #22

    Rian Johnson took everything left for him to solve and tossed it over his shoulder off a cliff. I loved it!

    The danger in taking these classic characters out of perfectly preserved amber is they have to change. TLJ commits and then some!

    Whoever wanted to watch Snoke's backstory sounds insane. Rian is smart enough to know how pointless it is and he did the one thing JJ couldn't.. he made Snoke threatening.

    So much weirdness. All of the imagination of Valerian but with actual character work. Stuff we've never seen with the force before.

    Actual choreography and coherency to space battles and fights! Remember how weightless the Starkiller retread was? Rian one ups JJ in the very first scene!

    @user488yam · Operation Kino
    Dec 15, 2017, 1:14pm PST
  • Reply #23

    If they just got rid of the casino scene or made it much shorter, I think it would have solved most of my problems with the movie (did not really enjoy Rose Tico overall, also Mary Poppins Organa-Solo was cheesy).

    Overall I thought the movie was awesome. It did things I didn't expect both in large ways and small. I look forward to seeing it again in a week or so.

    @scott · Scott's Theater of Powerless Superheroes
    Dec 15, 2017, 1:16pm PST
  • Reply #24

    @Scott - Completely agree. The casino scenes were by far the most egregious.

    If they had just ended up on that salt planet at the beginning of Act 2 and spent the entire time defending that (with Finn and co. being given something else to do, maybe disabling some First Order shields or something), the Rebel Alliance B-story would have felt a lot more coherent. There are just so many zigs and zags in the story that made no sense and would have been really easy to streamline.

    @backseatdirecting · BackseatDirecting
    Dec 15, 2017, 1:21pm PST
  • Reply #25

    I mean 2001, did you really expect any better? The guy thinks IT is one of the best films of the year. Half the time he doesn't even know what he's blabbering about.

    @gd · GD
    Dec 15, 2017, 1:22pm PST
  • Reply #26

    Wait, what's wrong with IT? I thought it was one of the best films of the year.

    @user4mw6b2 · seanroberts1978's Cineplex
    Dec 15, 2017, 1:38pm PST
  • Reply #27

    Ingy is really out-trolling himself here. Best course of action is to just

    @zed · Z's Summertime Zoetrope △
    Dec 15, 2017, 1:53pm PST
  • Reply #28

    IT was amazing. And was one of, what, two or three movies this year that completely stunned the industry beyond expectations. You'll never see acting that good in a horror film. Hell, the acting in TLJ wasn't as good as IT.
    We are talking about a subjective art, people. These are opinions based on what you like. Let other people like things for their own reasons, this isn't politics or anything. There's is no inherent right.

    @lars · La Forza del Destino (IOU)
    Dec 15, 2017, 2:01pm PST
  • Reply #29

    I appreciate a good troll as much as the next guy, and have played the part from time to time. Ingy is far more than your standard troll. He truly believes his opinion matters more than others, and finds it enjoyable and/or constructive to tear down those who don't agree with him. This is far from cool, imo.

    @user4mw6b2 · seanroberts1978's Cineplex
    Dec 15, 2017, 2:11pm PST
  • Reply #30

    IT was one of the best films of the year. But yeah, you disagree with me on one movie therefore I have no idea what I'm blubbering about. Sounds about right! As for tearing down people who disagree...I wasn't aware I was calling anyone an idiot or anything in my prediction for The Last Jedi. If you feel I'm tearing people down with that post, that you're own perception. Tearing down a piece of entertainment you had NOTHING TO DO WITH is not a personal attack; if you feel it is, that's your problem. Half the time I don't know what I'm blabbering about. That means I'm right half the time, and in that 50% where I know exactly what I'm blabbering about is Star Wars.

    All I know, is IT has an 85% audience score. That's 30 percents higher than The Last Jedi!

    @ingy · Inglourious Basterd
    Dec 15, 2017, 2:33pm PSTEdited
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