Star Wars: The Last Jedi AUDIENCE Score - Thoughts?

@bowser · Bowser's Theater of Love
Dec 15, 2017, 9:13am PST

[12/15, 11 AM] AUDIENCE SCORE 60%
Average Rating: 3.5/5
User Ratings: 60,342

I'm going to post some thoughts from my initial reaction. (Went to the 7:30 show last night) :: SPOILER WARNING ::

First: I am a massive, loyal Star Wars fan. I have been since childhood.
I wore a lot of Star Wars apparel last night. My office and bedroom have Star Wars decorations aplenty.

It was a pretty good movie.

But, this is the first time I've ever left a theater for a Star Wars movie and felt disappointed.

I don't want to be completely negative... But, here are some issues that stuck out to me.

First -- The ending.
It felt like Disney just hit a reset button to make more money. We are even further from a conclusion to these Character's story arch.

So, one of the themes was... There will ALWAYS be good versus bad... Wrong vs right. Light vs dark.
Okay, I understand that. Thanks.

SNOKE -- WHO IS HE?? What was that?
Who was his master?
How did he come to power??????

Why was there this ultimate Sith that seemingly came out of nowhere, and ZERO light was shed on his story...? We got NOTHING on Snoke. No closure. Kylo Ren just got to kill him...
Which was cool, and unexpected... Probably the highlight of the film for me...

But, WTF, nothing on why he was so powerful, or how he came to be? No clues on his master?
Just... Weird to me.

Finn -- Wow.
I can't believe how bored I was with Finn's storyline.

Nothing about following Finn around was enjoyable for me. He really felt like some pointless subplot to pass time. I just... Didn't expect that.
"Filler Finn"
I was literally bored with Finn. Every time he was on the screen, I was anxious for the characters I care about to come back.

Luke sort of got a disappointing exit from the franchise. I'm glad he was at peace at the end... But, sheesh.

He's just gone now?

They did a good job of re-booting this existing world... And leaving a WIDE open door for future generations of Star Wars fans...

Maybe I'm too attached to the original characters.
This trilogy of trilogies has always been about the Skywalker family.
It is odd to me that Ben Solo and Leia are the only ones left.

And.... of all the generations of Jedi/Sith we've followed.... Kylo Ren has got to be the weakest Sith. He's so vulnerable.
Rey is so raw. She's all that's left of the Jedi, with no master to continue her minimal training. Very odd to me.

But... Maybe that's the point.

Kylo Ren is what young Vader should have been.

There were bright spots in the movie.
I loved Rey going to Kylo... I loved the showdown with Kylo/Rey/Snoke.
I wish we would have got answers about Snoke.

And now... Episode 9 -- It will be this new seed of a Resistance trying to bring down Kylo's "New Order." They have one movie to wrap up this Skywalker Trilogy of Trilogies.

I love Star Wars. I will be there. I'll go see The Last Jedi again...
I'm just... baffled by my own disappointment.

I became attached to Jyn Erso and Cassian Andor in Rogue One.
Rogue One's ending was incredible.

I don't want to know any more about Finn. It's weird to me. I still feel like Finn has only ever been driven by two things: A crush on Rey, and revenge on the First Order.

In moments of "doing the right thing," he'd run, bail, escape.
I thought him sacrificing at the end would be his redeeming moment. I don't know. I'm oddly anti-Finn right now. He's not a representative of the Resistance to me. Haha.

I might have had too high of expectations.
It was still a good movie, I enjoyed it... I'm just really confused and a bit let down.

I think they're trying to send a message of "hope," but I am now feeling hopeless like this FIGHT, this WAR, has to go on forever.

And, that might be the point... There will always be bad, always be darkness, that we have to fight. The fight never stops to do the right thing.

So, the next movie will be Kylo's New Order nearly destroying the Resistance ... They'll have their backs against the wall the whole time.

We, as the audience, will be told to never give up hope.... Don't succumb to an "evil" dictatorship.

Good guys will prevail at the end. Cue the theme song.

Rey's parents/line have nothing to do with anything. Reminder that any random kid can be born with gifts. (Or, Kylo lied and we get a surprise in 9)

No clue how after killing Emperor Palpatine and Vader turning back to the light side -- There is suddenly an all-powerful Sith Master of Snoke who builds a "First Order" and essentially has control of the galaxy just like The Empire... :: shrugs ::

It's worth going to in theaters… But, I understand why some people are let down. There are a lot of plot holes I didn't touch on, I just focused on what initially stuck out to me. 

What did everyone else think??

110 Replies

  • Reply #11

    Don't want to just hate, because this had some of the greatest scenes there have ever been in a star wars movie. Especially getting to see the luke I'd dreamed of seeing, even if it was an illusion.

    @user4mw6b2 · seanroberts1978's Cineplex
    Dec 15, 2017, 10:20am PST
  • Reply #12

    Now down to 58%. How low can it go?

    I'm a huge SW fan, and while I understand where folks found weaknesses, I still appreciate the aspect of doing some new things and going a bit deeper in terms of social commentary - I'm fully expecting some sort of think-pieces to be posted in the next few days like "Why TLJ is the Response to Trump We Need Now." Stuff like that.

    @queasyocto · Hensler's Queasy Octoplex of Pleasure and Pain
    Dec 15, 2017, 10:41am PST
  • Reply #13

    Did anyone else think of Guardians of the Galaxy when Lea Supermaned her way back to the ship? I loved the movie and usually look past these holes in almost every movie.

    @william_fn_wallace · The Governo(R)
    Dec 15, 2017, 10:47am PST
  • Reply #14

    But that is an impressive write up and very valid for the most part. But that use of silence was superb and Rae and Kylo are great together and that fight with the Red Guards was crazy cool.

    @william_fn_wallace · The Governo(R)
    Dec 15, 2017, 10:49am PST
  • Reply #15

    @Bowser - I will also 2nd your sentiment about absolutely loving Rogue One. I feel like that movie has gotten some hate in the year it came out, but the pacing of that story and the stakes at the end of it were just perfect for me. One of the big complaints I have with this one is that everyone but our 6 main characters felt completely expendable. I know that our main characters probably aren't going to die, so it's important to make me feel loss when the Rebels are losing troops. There's a bit of that in the opening scene, but otherwise, that loss isn't felt much at all.

    EDIT: The way I see it, there are two main aspects of the Star Wars mythos. If you're more interested in The Force aspects of the story, there's a ton in TLJ. If you're more interested in the Rebels vs Empire (or First Order), that part of TLJ is really lacking after the opening 15 minutes.

    @backseatdirecting · BackseatDirecting
    Dec 15, 2017, 11:07am PSTEdited
  • Reply #16

    So if we are ranking:

    1. Empire
    2. Rogue one
    3. New hope
    4. Return
    5. Last Jedi
    6. TFA
    7. Phantom menace
    8. Revenge
    9. AOTC
    @user4mw6b2 · seanroberts1978's Cineplex
    Dec 15, 2017, 11:29am PST
  • Reply #17

    [12/15 1:40 PM] Update:

    Average Rating: 3.4/5
    User Ratings: 63,358

    That is officially a "rotten" audience score.

    @Backseat -- Great points. I, too, was very excited for Rian Johnson. Nail on the head that this script was NOT tight at all. Pacing was very off.
    "Also nobody's plan in this movie makes any sense if you think about it for more than like 30 seconds." Very, very true.

    The lightspeed kamikaze attack was fantastic.

    @Furiosa -- Very fair. I'm going to see it again in theaters this weekend or early next week... I'm still going to give it a chance.

    @Joshmassey -- Comepletely agree. I just have zero connection to Finn and Rose at this point.

    @Spawnout -- Thank you!

    @Blaze /Laser -- Yup, I feel that pain. :(

    @seanroberts1978 -- I had that exact thought... Leia deserved that "hero's death" that they randomly gave Laura Dern.

    @Hensler's Queasy -- Agree with you there. Those narratives are coming.
    I was also excited to hear there were taking it in a new direction. Was still let down with the pacing and seemingly "filler" subplots getting so much screen time.

    @Extra Butter Fingers -- Absolutely, I loved the Rey/Kylo fight against the Red Guards.

    @bowser · Bowser's Theater of Love
    Dec 15, 2017, 11:48am PST
  • Reply #18

    I tried telling all of you Star Wars went to Shit. I tried and I tried and I tried. It seems reality has finally caught up with many people. Chances are this movie was better than The Force Awakens and Rogue One, but the novelty of Star Wars being back has faded and the glaring flaws with these films seems to be more apparent to people. Having not seen this film or really read much in the way of spoilers, I can guarantee the characters motivations make no sense...they either lack them completely or they flip-flop because they're only people so far as the plot forces them to be a certain way to serve it, and the first hour or so was bogged down with exposition and a bunch of needless storytelling, which then forced the actual meat of the story to feel rushed and not as good as it should be, and it no doubt had tons for forced humour that doesn't work and often doesn't fit the situation, and the film probably forgets it's own plot points it sets up in the overlong first hour in lieu of special effects and action. It also seems to be like they're still totally pandering to the politically correct market, which as we all know, is always a surefire way to suffocate your own film in needless cringe and cheese.

    @ingy · Inglourious Basterd
    Dec 15, 2017, 1:00pm PSTEdited
  • Reply #19

    it's the only movie on par with the original two

    @user488yam · Operation Kino
    Dec 15, 2017, 1:02pm PST
  • Reply #20

    Ingy is out doing himself with this one. Critiquing a movie he hasn't even seen! Well done.

    @2001 · 2001: A Cineplex △
    Dec 15, 2017, 1:07pm PST
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