Star Wars: The Last Jedi AUDIENCE Score - Thoughts?

@bowser · Bowser's Theater of Love
Dec 15, 2017, 9:13am PST

[12/15, 11 AM] AUDIENCE SCORE 60%
Average Rating: 3.5/5
User Ratings: 60,342

I'm going to post some thoughts from my initial reaction. (Went to the 7:30 show last night) :: SPOILER WARNING ::

First: I am a massive, loyal Star Wars fan. I have been since childhood.
I wore a lot of Star Wars apparel last night. My office and bedroom have Star Wars decorations aplenty.

It was a pretty good movie.

But, this is the first time I've ever left a theater for a Star Wars movie and felt disappointed.

I don't want to be completely negative... But, here are some issues that stuck out to me.

First -- The ending.
It felt like Disney just hit a reset button to make more money. We are even further from a conclusion to these Character's story arch.

So, one of the themes was... There will ALWAYS be good versus bad... Wrong vs right. Light vs dark.
Okay, I understand that. Thanks.

SNOKE -- WHO IS HE?? What was that?
Who was his master?
How did he come to power??????

Why was there this ultimate Sith that seemingly came out of nowhere, and ZERO light was shed on his story...? We got NOTHING on Snoke. No closure. Kylo Ren just got to kill him...
Which was cool, and unexpected... Probably the highlight of the film for me...

But, WTF, nothing on why he was so powerful, or how he came to be? No clues on his master?
Just... Weird to me.

Finn -- Wow.
I can't believe how bored I was with Finn's storyline.

Nothing about following Finn around was enjoyable for me. He really felt like some pointless subplot to pass time. I just... Didn't expect that.
"Filler Finn"
I was literally bored with Finn. Every time he was on the screen, I was anxious for the characters I care about to come back.

Luke sort of got a disappointing exit from the franchise. I'm glad he was at peace at the end... But, sheesh.

He's just gone now?

They did a good job of re-booting this existing world... And leaving a WIDE open door for future generations of Star Wars fans...

Maybe I'm too attached to the original characters.
This trilogy of trilogies has always been about the Skywalker family.
It is odd to me that Ben Solo and Leia are the only ones left.

And.... of all the generations of Jedi/Sith we've followed.... Kylo Ren has got to be the weakest Sith. He's so vulnerable.
Rey is so raw. She's all that's left of the Jedi, with no master to continue her minimal training. Very odd to me.

But... Maybe that's the point.

Kylo Ren is what young Vader should have been.

There were bright spots in the movie.
I loved Rey going to Kylo... I loved the showdown with Kylo/Rey/Snoke.
I wish we would have got answers about Snoke.

And now... Episode 9 -- It will be this new seed of a Resistance trying to bring down Kylo's "New Order." They have one movie to wrap up this Skywalker Trilogy of Trilogies.

I love Star Wars. I will be there. I'll go see The Last Jedi again...
I'm just... baffled by my own disappointment.

I became attached to Jyn Erso and Cassian Andor in Rogue One.
Rogue One's ending was incredible.

I don't want to know any more about Finn. It's weird to me. I still feel like Finn has only ever been driven by two things: A crush on Rey, and revenge on the First Order.

In moments of "doing the right thing," he'd run, bail, escape.
I thought him sacrificing at the end would be his redeeming moment. I don't know. I'm oddly anti-Finn right now. He's not a representative of the Resistance to me. Haha.

I might have had too high of expectations.
It was still a good movie, I enjoyed it... I'm just really confused and a bit let down.

I think they're trying to send a message of "hope," but I am now feeling hopeless like this FIGHT, this WAR, has to go on forever.

And, that might be the point... There will always be bad, always be darkness, that we have to fight. The fight never stops to do the right thing.

So, the next movie will be Kylo's New Order nearly destroying the Resistance ... They'll have their backs against the wall the whole time.

We, as the audience, will be told to never give up hope.... Don't succumb to an "evil" dictatorship.

Good guys will prevail at the end. Cue the theme song.

Rey's parents/line have nothing to do with anything. Reminder that any random kid can be born with gifts. (Or, Kylo lied and we get a surprise in 9)

No clue how after killing Emperor Palpatine and Vader turning back to the light side -- There is suddenly an all-powerful Sith Master of Snoke who builds a "First Order" and essentially has control of the galaxy just like The Empire... :: shrugs ::

It's worth going to in theaters… But, I understand why some people are let down. There are a lot of plot holes I didn't touch on, I just focused on what initially stuck out to me. 

What did everyone else think??

110 Replies

  • Reply #1

    Apologies for all the extra newlines/spacing. I copied and pasted from a word doc. :(

    @bowser · Bowser's Theater of Love
    Dec 15, 2017, 9:14am PST
  • Reply #2

    @Bowser - Agree on being disappointed. Some people are absolutely LOVING this movie (I've heard it called "the best Star Wars movie ever") but for me, it fell flat.

    My issues can best be described as "at this point, I'm more of a movie geek than a Star Wars geek." What excited me about Rian Johnson getting on board is the guy is a great storyteller. But this script was not tight at all, and the pacing was completely wonky.

    This is an issue with modern blockbusters in general, but when did we get away from a three-act structure?? In both this and TFA, it feels like everyone always has to be doing something all the time. Everyone needs to move to the next plot point or set piece for no other reason than it's the next thing to do.

    Also nobody's plan in this movie makes any sense if you think about it for more than like 30 seconds.

    That said, there are a TON of moments in TLJ that are really special. If we're in spoilers, the two major lightsaber fights were incredible. Rey's first meditation on the force. The lightspeed attack on Snoke's ship. All of these were great moments.

    But to me... they just felt like moments. The arc of this movie just never hit home, and that's a shame.

    @backseatdirecting · BackseatDirecting
    Dec 15, 2017, 9:21am PST
  • Reply #3

    It's because Johnson is a hack and Abrams is terrible at achieving story over time.

    @undecided_voter · Poorly Expanded Award Contender for President △
    Dec 15, 2017, 9:22am PST
  • Reply #4

    Chewie is still around. R2 and 3PO too.

    @gd · GD
    Dec 15, 2017, 9:24am PST
  • Reply #5

    I'm giving this some time. There were a lot of swings, and a couple of misses for me. I think reaction will improve with time. There were definitely pacing issues, but the themes introduced and told were stellar imo

    @furiosa · Sir Julius
    Dec 15, 2017, 9:42am PST
  • Reply #6

    Not gonna lie, I missed the part that said "Spoiler Warning" and I'm pretty pissed at myself.

    @jeremy · Circle of Life (IOU)
    Dec 15, 2017, 9:48am PST
  • Reply #7

    Agreed - great singular moments but overall a disappointment. And if I never see Finn and Rose again, I'll be more than fine with that.

    @joshmassey · joshmassey's Cineplex
    Dec 15, 2017, 9:51am PST
  • Reply #8

    I agree with you 100%

    @redfish · Spawnout
    Dec 15, 2017, 10:00am PST
  • Reply #9

    Saw this last night, could not have been more let down. I've gone to every opening night with my friends for the past three years, and it was the first time we all walked out of the theater in silence, because none of use could believe what we just watched

    Every single new character was AWFUL, there were so many plot holes, actual good characters meeting unworthy deaths, and don't get me started on Leia's Superman scene. Terrible, and it's a bummer.

    @user3km58v · Blaze /Laser
    Dec 15, 2017, 10:13am PST
  • Reply #10

    I don't have any issue with Finn and rose individually, they just have zero chemistry with one another, and that forced kiss was just awful.

    So how do they handle Leia? Will she just be referenced to have died at the hands of the first order in between episode 8 & 9? I realize it wasnt possible, but would have loved for her to have gotten the death Laura derns character received, because I wasnt a fan of hers.

    @user4mw6b2 · seanroberts1978's Cineplex
    Dec 15, 2017, 10:17am PST
Add Reply